From lgramer at upstream.net  Tue May  4 14:30:22 2004
From: lgramer at upstream.net (Lewis J. Gramer)
Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 14:30:22 -0400
Subject: (IAAC) PLEASE IGNORE - testing 'netastrocatalog-announce'
Message-ID: <240c01c43205$df953760$9101a8c0@upstreambos.com>

Just making sure we are configured correctly
on our new server. Clear skies all!

Lew Gramer <owner at visualdeepsky.org>
Webmaster: http://www.visualdeepsky.org




From lgramer at upstream.net  Tue May  4 16:20:52 2004
From: lgramer at upstream.net (Lewis J. Gramer)
Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 16:20:52 -0400
Subject: (IAAC) Re: IAAC problems
In-Reply-To: <20040504074714.57153.qmail@web40404.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <246401c43215$50500520$9101a8c0@upstreambos.com>

Apologies, Alex - IAAC is currently "under construction"! I will
post a message to the 'netastrocatalog-announce' list once our
service is completely restored. Until then, keep your observing
logs stored in a file if you can - and if you need help submitting
them later, I will try to make it as easy as possible for you.

Clear skies, and sorry to all our readers, for any inconvenience!

Lew Gramer <owner-netastrocatalog at visualdeepsky.org>
Webmaster: http://www.visualdeepsky.org


-----Original Message-----
From: Alexandru Tudorica
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2004 3:47 AM
To: Lewis J. Gramer
Subject: IAAC problems

Hi Lew! I am writing to you about the netastrocatalog. I tried to do a
"customized thin g" for observers that subscribe often observations, but
something odd appeared on the screen - lots of numbers and characters.
And when I tried to subscribe a observation, the message "url not found
" appeared on the screen. What's happening? Did my observation
subscribed?
     Best wishes,
          Alex




From lgramer at upstream.net  Tue May  4 17:41:14 2004
From: lgramer at upstream.net (Lewis J. Gramer)
Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 17:41:14 -0400
Subject: (IAAC) Emailing lists and aliases now REQUIRES use of new domains
Message-ID: <24a601c43220$8a27c160$9101a8c0@upstreambos.com>

Just a short note, folks: a year or two ago, all of our
astronomy-related lists acquired new domain names of
their own. Readers were advised at that time to change
all their aliases and Address Books, to use these new
domain names. And though the old "@atmob.org" addresses
continued to work after that, THEY WILL NO LONGER WORK
at our new server...

So as soon as possible, please change all your personal
Address Books to use ONLY the following addresses:


-- meteorobs
This is the ONLY address which will post to 'meteorobs',
the Global Meteor Observing forum:
 meteorobs at meteorobs.org


-- IAAC
Either of these two addresses may be used to post a deep-
sky observing log to the Internet Amateur Astronomers
Catalog of Deep-Sky Observations:
 netastrocatalog at visualdeepsky.org
 logs at visualdeepsky.org
(We are still experiencing problems with 'netastrocatalog',
though - so please wait a couple of days before you try to
submit any observations on EITHER of these addresses!)


And if you have a question or a comment on deep-sky, or
on a particular log, you should post an email to:
 netastrocatalog-announce at visualdeepsky.org
 chat at visualdeepsky.org


-- NAMN
If you wish to reach the volunteers with North American
Meteor Network (NAMN), send email to this address:
 namn at namnmeteors.org

And to report a fireball sighting, use THIS address:
 fireballs at namnmeteors.org


-- NSAAC
This is the members-only email list for the North Shore
[Massachusetts, USA] Amateur Astronomy Club:
 nsaac at nsaac.org


---

Clear skies and quick replies!
Lew Gramer




From lgramer at upstream.net  Fri May  7 19:46:09 2004
From: lgramer at upstream.net (Lewis J. Gramer)
Date: Fri, 7 May 2004 19:46:09 -0400
Subject: (IAAC) Apologies - IAAC on new server still "UNDER CONSTRUCTION"
Message-ID: <29be01c4348d$7924bb60$9101a8c0@upstreambos.com>

Apologies to all those who have attempted to submit
observing logs to the "IAAC" this week. We are still
working to get the IAAC catalog working properly on
our new host... Please be patient - I hope we'll be
"back in business" by early next week!

Clear skies!
Lew Gramer <owner-netastrocatalog at visualdeepsky.org>
Webmaster: http://www.visualdeepsky.org




From lgramer at upstream.net  Tue May  4 16:11:34 2004
From: lgramer at upstream.net (Lewis J. Gramer)
Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 16:11:34 -0400
Subject: (IAAC) PLEASE IGNORE - testing 'netastrocatalog'
Message-ID: <246201c43214$03b9f5f0$9101a8c0@upstreambos.com>

This post should (temporarily) become a part
of our IAAC observation archive...

Just making sure we are configured correctly
on our new server. Clear skies all!

Lew Gramer <owner at visualdeepsky.org>
Webmaster: http://www.visualdeepsky.org




From galaxies at lanset.com  Wed May  5 16:49:30 2004
From: galaxies at lanset.com (Toney Burkhart)
Date: Wed, 05 May 2004 13:49:30 -0700
Subject: (IAAC) Test Please Disregard
Message-ID: <4099535A.33611F29@lanset.com>

Thanks Lew!

Regards,

Toney


From lgramer at upstream.net  Tue May  4 14:54:07 2004
From: lgramer at upstream.net (Lewis J. Gramer)
Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 14:54:07 -0400
Subject: (IAAC) PLEASE IGNORE - testing 'netastrocatalog'
Message-ID: <242201c43209$311fd240$9101a8c0@upstreambos.com>

This post should (temporarily) become a part
of our IAAC observation archive...

Just making sure we are configured correctly
on our new server. Clear skies all!

Lew Gramer <owner at visualdeepsky.org>
Webmaster: http://www.visualdeepsky.org




From lgramer at upstream.net  Tue May  4 17:27:24 2004
From: lgramer at upstream.net (Lewis J. Gramer)
Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 17:27:24 -0400
Subject: (IAAC) PLEASE IGNORE - testing 'netastrocatalog'
Message-ID: <24a301c4321e$9b017c30$9101a8c0@upstreambos.com>

This post should (temporarily) become a part
of our IAAC observation archive...

Just making sure we are configured correctly
on our new server. Clear skies all!

Lew Gramer <owner at visualdeepsky.org>
Webmaster: http://www.visualdeepsky.org




From lgramer at upstream.net  Mon May 10 18:43:48 2004
From: lgramer at upstream.net (Lewis J. Gramer)
Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 18:43:48 -0400
Subject: (IAAC) Please note: IAAC is ALMOST completely working again...
Message-ID: <2dd801c436e0$45b72060$9101a8c0@upstreambos.com>

We have fixed our Website so that searches should
now be available again! There are still some minor
"content" updates pending, but the basic structure
of the Website and email list should be running.

Please notify your friend "List Elves" if you see
any problems with the site or the list, or if you
have any questions about IAAC/visualdeepsky.org!

Our admin address is (as always):
  owner-netastrocatalog at visualdeepsky.org

Clear skies all!
Lew Gramer




From anonymous at sedna.atmob.org  Mon May 10 18:52:02 2004
From: anonymous at sedna.atmob.org (anonymous at sedna.atmob.org)
Date: 10 May 2004 22:52:02 -0000
Subject: (IAAC) Obj: M44 (Praesepe, Beehive) - Inst: naked eye
Message-ID: <20040510225202.29810.qmail@sedna.atmob.org>

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Observation Poster: Lew Gramer <dedalus at alum.mit.edu>

Observer: Lew Gramer
Your skills: Advanced (many years)
Date/time of observation: 05/09/2004 22:00 Local
Location of site: Medford MA USA (Lat 42N, Elev 15m)
Site classification: Suburban
Sky darkness: 4.9 <Limiting magnitude>
Seeing: 4 <1-10 Seeing Scale (10 best)>
Moon presence: None - moon not in sky
Instrument: naked eye
Magnification: 1x
Filter(s): None
Object(s): M44 (Praesepe, Beehive)
Category: Open cluster.
Class: II 2 m/II 3 m
Constellation: Cnc
Data: mag 3.1 6.3m*  size 95'
Position: RA 08:40.0  DEC +19:59
Description:
NOTE: This is an actual observation - the Beehive was just barely
visible to the naked eye from my highly light-polluted back yard
this night... It required me to shield myself from the incredible
array of local artificial sources - crouching in a tiny, shadowy
corner of the yard for 5 minutes until my eyes adapted.

However, this is ALSO a test of our new Website. Pardon our dust!

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From anonymous at sedna.atmob.org  Wed May 12 11:44:02 2004
From: anonymous at sedna.atmob.org (anonymous at sedna.atmob.org)
Date: 12 May 2004 15:44:02 -0000
Subject: (IAAC) Obj: M 108 - Inst: 15 inch Obsession f4,5
Message-ID: <20040512154402.29390.qmail@sedna.atmob.org>

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Observation Poster: Armin Hermann <burmeseinn at yahoo.com>

Observer: Armin Hermann
Your skills: Advanced (many years)
Date/time of observation: 12 May 2004
Location of site: Sangkhlaburi, Thailand (Lat 15?N, Elev 200m)
Site classification: Exurban
Sky darkness: ~6 <Limiting magnitude>
Seeing: 8-9 <1-10 Seeing Scale (10 best)>
Moon presence: None - moon not in sky
Instrument: 15 inch Obsession f4,5
Magnification: 244x
Filter(s): 
Object(s): M 108
Category: External galaxy.
Class: 
Constellation: UMa
Data: mag 10,5  size 8,8x2'
Position: RA :  DEC :
Description:
At 244x I could see several features within the approx 2?x8? long bright 
galaxy. The most obvious detail is a 1? long, oval patch towards the W edge of 
M108. This cloud appears bright and is easily visible. More subtle is another 
elongated patch in the galaxy?s center. Between that patch and the western 
cloud is a dark irregular rift that winds further along the southern side of M108. I 
could see 3 stars embedded in M108, the brightest one (~13mag) near the center 
and two fainter stars (~14,5mag) E and further NE of the center. Just N of the 
center near the brightest foreground star I could see another faint star or 
star-like cloud in M108. That one only with AV and with difficulty. Though not 
as bright as M82, M108 is as spectacular and rich in detail as M82.

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From anonymous at sedna.atmob.org  Wed May 12 11:50:14 2004
From: anonymous at sedna.atmob.org (anonymous at sedna.atmob.org)
Date: 12 May 2004 15:50:14 -0000
Subject: (IAAC) 
	Obj: NGC 3440, NGC 3445, NGC 3458 - Inst: 15 inch Obsession f4,5
Message-ID: <20040512155014.29710.qmail@sedna.atmob.org>

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Observation Poster: Armin Hermann <burmeseinn at yahoo.com>

Observer: Armin Hermann
Your skills: Advanced (many years)
Date/time of observation: 12 May 2004
Location of site: Sangkhlaburi, Thailand (Lat 15?N, Elev 200m)
Site classification: Exurban
Sky darkness: ~6 <Limiting magnitude>
Seeing: 8-9 <1-10 Seeing Scale (10 best)>
Moon presence: None - moon not in sky
Instrument: 15 inch Obsession f4,5
Magnification: 131x
Filter(s): 
Object(s): NGC 3440, NGC 3445, NGC 3458
Category: External galaxy.
Class: 
Constellation: UMa
Data: mag various  size various
Position: RA :  DEC :
Description:
NGC 3440: This 13,1magv galaxy appears as a very faint NE-SW elongated streak 
of light without other detail. Difficult at 131x.
NGC3445: 12,2magv. 10? SE of 3340 and only 1,5? from a brilliant 10mag star. At 
131x NGC 3345 shows a faint non-stellar core and a halo slightly elongated N-S 
(1x1,5?).
NGC3458: 12,1magv. 14? NE of 3445 this small galaxy features a bright stellar 
nucleus surrounded by a faint, small halo extending only about 1?. The halo 
appears to be almost round.
All 3 galaxies are beautifully located within the FOV at 131x magnification. 
Very nice group.
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From mcmahon at lemoyne.edu  Mon May 10 22:25:16 2004
From: mcmahon at lemoyne.edu (John M. McMahon)
Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 22:25:16 -0400
Subject: (IAAC) Obj: M44 (Praesepe, Beehive) - Inst: naked eye
In-Reply-To: <20040510225202.29810.qmail@sedna.atmob.org>
Message-ID: <BCC5B1CC.1BEE%mcmahon@lemoyne.edu>

Observation Poster: Lew Gramer <dedalus at alum.mit.edu>

> NOTE: This is an actual observation - the Beehive was just barely
> visible to the naked eye from my highly light-polluted back yard
> this night... It required me to shield myself from the incredible
> array of local artificial sources - crouching in a tiny, shadowy
> corner of the yard for 5 minutes until my eyes adapted.

There's hope -- and help -- out there:

http://www.darksky.org/

BTW, Comet NEAT has become visible with the naked eye, and is quite a sight
even in 7x50s.

Darker skies,

John McMahon
Tully, NY


From anonymous at sedna.atmob.org  Wed May 12 22:36:48 2004
From: anonymous at sedna.atmob.org (anonymous at sedna.atmob.org)
Date: 13 May 2004 02:36:48 -0000
Subject: (IAAC) Obj: NGC 3370 - Inst: 10" f/4.7 Dobsonian
Message-ID: <20040513023648.5920.qmail@sedna.atmob.org>

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Observation Poster: Brent Reary <gmbreary at rollanet.org>

Observer: Brent Reary
Your skills: Intermediate (some years)
Date/time of observation: 05/07/04  03:25 UT
Location of site: Rolla, MO  USA (Lat 37 57'N, Elev )
Site classification: Rural
Sky darkness: 6.0 <Limiting magnitude>
Seeing: 7 <1-10 Seeing Scale (10 best)>
Moon presence: None - moon not in sky
Instrument: 10" f/4.7 Dobsonian
Magnification: 80x, 133x, 267x
Filter(s): None
Object(s): NGC 3370
Category: External galaxy.
Class: 
Constellation: Leo
Data: mag 12.4p  size 3.1' X 1.9'
Position: RA 10:47  DEC +17:16
Description:
A faint, oval nebulous patch, aligned NE-SW.  There is slight brightening
toward the core.  Visible with averted vision at 80x, it did not bear
magnification well, fading into the background at higher power.  Best 
seen at 133x.
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From anonymous at sedna.atmob.org  Fri May 21 16:04:04 2004
From: anonymous at sedna.atmob.org (anonymous at sedna.atmob.org)
Date: 21 May 2004 20:04:04 -0000
Subject: (IAAC) Obj: NGC 2264 - Inst: 200mm Newtonian F5
Message-ID: <20040521200404.15589.qmail@sedna.atmob.org>

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Observation Poster: NGC 2264 <rex516 at yahoo.com >

Observer: NGC 2264
Your skills: Intermediate (some years)
Date/time of observation: est
Location of site: Milano (Lat 45 28 00 N, Elev 09 12 00 E)
Site classification: Rural
Sky darkness: 8 <Limiting magnitude>
Seeing: 5 <1-10 Seeing Scale (10 best)>
Moon presence: None - moon not in sky
Instrument: 200mm Newtonian F5
Magnification: 
Filter(s): OIII H-Beta
Object(s): NGC 2264
Category: Emission nebula.
Class: Emission nebula.
Constellation: Mon
Data: mag   size 
Position: RA 06  :41    DEC +09:54
Description:
 The cluster seems mainly composed of bright stars from mag 7 to mag 9,
with
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From anonymous at sedna.atmob.org  Sun May 23 04:23:59 2004
From: anonymous at sedna.atmob.org (anonymous at sedna.atmob.org)
Date: 23 May 2004 08:23:59 -0000
Subject: (IAAC) Obj: NGC 3972, NGC 3982, NGC 3990, NGC 3998 - Inst: 15 inch
	Obsession f4,5
Message-ID: <20040523082359.8682.qmail@sedna.atmob.org>

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Observation Poster: Armin Hermann <burmeseinn at yahoo.com>

Observer: Armin Hermann
Your skills: Advanced (many years)
Date/time of observation: 22 May 2004
Location of site: Sangkhlaburi, Thailand (Lat 15?N, Elev 200m)
Site classification: Exurban
Sky darkness: ~5,5mag <Limiting magnitude>
Seeing: 9 <1-10 Seeing Scale (10 best)>
Moon presence: None - moon not in sky
Instrument: 15 inch Obsession f4,5
Magnification: 131 & 244x
Filter(s): 
Object(s): NGC 3972, NGC 3982, NGC 3990, NGC 3998
Category: External galaxy.
Class: 
Constellation: UMa
Data: mag various  size various
Position: RA :  DEC :
Description:
This beautiful group of galaxies is best observed at low to medium power. At 
131x all 4 objects fit into the FOV of my 13mm Nagler.
NGC3998: 10,6magv. Appears round and very bright with a diameter of >2?. There 
is a stellar nucleus embedded in the bright small core.
NGC3990: 12,6magv. Small (~0,5?), round and fairly bright at 131x. A faint 
stellar nucleus is visible at 244x. 3990 is located only 3? W of NGC 3998.
NGC3982: 11magv. Slightly elongated N-S with a size of 1,5x1?. The halo is 
fairly bright with a non-stellar core in its middle. Medium surface brightness. 
Located 23? SW of NGC3998/90.
NGC3972: 12,9mag. Even at 131x this edge-on is visible only as a very faint 
4x1? streak of light with no detail. I could see only a slight central 
brightening but no nucleus. Located 19? WSW of 3998/90.
Another faint galaxy (NGC 3977, 14mag) 5? NE of NGC 3972 escaped my view this 
time. Anyway, I will visit this group of galaxies again as it is a very nice 
target in UMa.

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From anonymous at sedna.atmob.org  Sun May 23 04:30:27 2004
From: anonymous at sedna.atmob.org (anonymous at sedna.atmob.org)
Date: 23 May 2004 08:30:27 -0000
Subject: (IAAC) Obj: NGC 3184 - Inst: 15 inch Obsession f4,5
Message-ID: <20040523083027.9025.qmail@sedna.atmob.org>

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Observation Poster: Armin Hermann <burmeseinn at yahoo.com>

Observer: Armin Hermann
Your skills: Advanced (many years)
Date/time of observation: 22 May 2004
Location of site: Sangkhlaburi, Thailand (Lat 15?N, Elev 200m)
Site classification: Exurban
Sky darkness: ~5,5mag <Limiting magnitude>
Seeing: 9 <1-10 Seeing Scale (10 best)>
Moon presence: None - moon not in sky
Instrument: 15 inch Obsession f4,5
Magnification: 244x
Filter(s): 
Object(s): NGC 3184
Category: External galaxy.
Class: SAB
Constellation: UMa
Data: mag 9,8v  size 7,5'
Position: RA :  DEC :
Description:
At 244x this face-on galaxy appears with a total diameter of approx 4?. The 
N edge does reach a prominent 11,5mag star. The core is very small and the 
nucleus appears stellar and faint. The halo has an extremely low surface 
brightness but with averted vision I could make out traces of the spiral 
structure. The SW spiral arm is best visible. The NE arm, though much wider, 
looks more like a slightly brighter irregular patch of nebulosity between the 
galaxy?s core and the 11,5mag star. Difficult object that requires very clear 
skies.

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From anonymous at sedna.atmob.org  Sun May 23 04:36:35 2004
From: anonymous at sedna.atmob.org (anonymous at sedna.atmob.org)
Date: 23 May 2004 08:36:35 -0000
Subject: (IAAC) Obj: NGC 3198 - Inst: 15 inch Obsession f4,5
Message-ID: <20040523083635.9348.qmail@sedna.atmob.org>

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Observation Poster: Armin Hermann <burmeseinn at yahoo.com>

Observer: Armin Hermann
Your skills: Advanced (many years)
Date/time of observation: 22 May 2004
Location of site: Sangkhlaburi, Thailand (Lat 15?N, Elev 200m)
Site classification: Exurban
Sky darkness: ~5,5mag <Limiting magnitude>
Seeing: 9 <1-10 Seeing Scale (10 best)>
Moon presence: None - moon not in sky
Instrument: 15 inch Obsession f4,5
Magnification: 131x
Filter(s): 
Object(s): NGC 3198
Category: External galaxy.
Class: 
Constellation: UMa
Data: mag 10,3v  size 9x3,5'
Position: RA :  DEC :
Description:
At 131x NGC 3198 extends approx 6x2?. The core is very small and faint but 
appears non-stellar. The bright halo extends NE-SW, surrounded by a few 
11-14mag stars. On it?s W edge the halo fades away abruptly and with averted 
vision it looked like a dark lane running along the W side of NGC3198 was 
visible. 
The high surface brightness makes this galaxy an easy and nice target.

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From anonymous at sedna.atmob.org  Mon May 24 09:45:11 2004
From: anonymous at sedna.atmob.org (anonymous at sedna.atmob.org)
Date: 24 May 2004 13:45:11 -0000
Subject: (IAAC) Obj:  NGC 6217 - Inst: Reflector 12.5" f/4.8
Message-ID: <20040524134511.25885.qmail@sedna.atmob.org>

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Observation Poster: NGC 6217 <aldo_luca_rapini at yahoo.it>

Observer: NGC 6217
Your skills: Advanced (many years)
Date/time of observation: 1996-06-16, 04:30 UT
Location of site: Milano  italy (Lat  45.464 , Elev )
Site classification: Rural
Sky darkness:  <1-10 Scale (10 best)>
Seeing:  <10-1 Seeing Scale (1 best)>
Moon presence: None - moon not in sky
Instrument: Reflector 12.5" f/4.8
Magnification: 
Filter(s): 
Object(s):  NGC 6217
Category: Other.
Class: 
Constellation: UMi
Data: mag 11.2  size  3'
Position: RA 16:32  DEC +78:12m
Description:
 Showed a clear central condensation,
probably the core. Also showed elongation to NW-SE,
and a slight "tail" or angle on the NW lobe. Despite
its low magnitude and small size, this object is an
easy find, for it forms a nice equilateral triangle
with Eta and Zeta Ursae Minoris.


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From anonymous at sedna.atmob.org  Tue May 25 10:03:03 2004
From: anonymous at sedna.atmob.org (anonymous at sedna.atmob.org)
Date: 25 May 2004 14:03:03 -0000
Subject: (IAAC) Obj: M 27 - Inst: 9 cm Rafractor, Meade, f/11, ecuatorial
Message-ID: <20040525140303.8288.qmail@sedna.atmob.org>

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Observation Poster: Tudorica Alexandru <astrofireball at home.ro>

Observer: Tudorica Alexandru
Your skills: Intermediate (some years)
Date/time of observation: 21.05.2004 - 22:40 UT
Location of site: Ghirdoveni, Romania (Lat +45, Elev 260m)
Site classification: Rural
Sky darkness: +7.0 <Limiting magnitude>
Seeing: 9 <1-10 Seeing Scale (10 best)>
Moon presence: None - moon not in sky
Instrument: 9 cm Rafractor, Meade, f/11, ecuatorial
Magnification: 40X, 78X, 110X
Filter(s): none
Object(s): M 27
Category: Planetary nebula.
Class: 
Constellation: Vul
Data: mag 7.4  size 8.0x5.7 (arc min)
Position: RA 19:59.6  DEC +22:43
Description:
Very large and bright planetary nebula, which looks like the core of an aplle,
 or like a dumbell. It is formed by a bright bar and two arcs that are almost 
joining at low power (40X). In the field is a moderately bright star, at about
 20'  from it. At 78X it is obvious that the S-V part is brighter that the 
rest of the nebula. At higher power (110X), the central bar looks like it is divided in the middle, but it isn't completely.
At the same power (110X), the arcs become smaller, and less detail is visible
 on the nebula, but a faint star becomes visible in the S-V part of it.

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From anonymous at sedna.atmob.org  Tue May 25 10:15:50 2004
From: anonymous at sedna.atmob.org (anonymous at sedna.atmob.org)
Date: 25 May 2004 14:15:50 -0000
Subject: (IAAC) Obj: M 109 - Inst: 9 cm Refractor, Meade, f/11, ecuatorial
Message-ID: <20040525141550.8702.qmail@sedna.atmob.org>

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Observation Poster: Tudorica Alexandru <astrofireball at home.ro>

Observer: Tudorica Alexandru
Your skills: Intermediate (some years)
Date/time of observation: 21.05.2004 - 22:40 UT
Location of site: Ghirdoveni, Romania (Lat +45, Elev 260m)
Site classification: Rural
Sky darkness: +7.0 <Limiting magnitude>
Seeing: 9 <1-10 Seeing Scale (10 best)>
Moon presence: None - moon not in sky
Instrument: 9 cm Refractor, Meade, f/11, ecuatorial
Magnification: 40X, 78X, 
Filter(s): none
Object(s): M 109
Category: External galaxy.
Class: 
Constellation: UMa
Data: mag 9.8  size 7.4 min.
Position: RA 11:57  DEC +53:23
Description:
Very faint galaxy, very close to Gamma UMa; the galaxy is touched by two stars
(faint and unequal ones). The reflexions created by Gamma UMa interefere with 
observing of the galaxy; at first glance the galaxy is mistaken with one of 
these reflections. At 78X the galaxy looks eliptical, and alost dissapears from 
view.
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From lgramer at upstream.net  Tue May 25 16:27:58 2004
From: lgramer at upstream.net (Lewis J. Gramer)
Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 16:27:58 -0400
Subject: (IAAC) The wonders of the 2004 Texas Star Party
Message-ID: <0d4801c44296$c83af090$9101a8c0@upstreambos.com>

>To: IAAC Chat <netastrocatalog-announce at visualdeepsky.org>;
>     meteorobs at meteorobs.org; starrynights at yahoogroups.com;
>     amastro at yahoogroups.com

I just pulled in at 2am last night, from an 11-day driving and observing
Odyssey to the Texas Star Party in Ft. Davis, West Texas USA... We had
been hauling a 36" f/5 dob co-owned by several of us, together with
several smaller dobs and equipment. It was an incredible event, and I
have MOUNDS of deep-sky observations to try to enter into the IAAC - as
well as (yes, folks) a ONE-HOUR meteor observing session last Monday
night... (Talk about Deep Sky Guilt!)

With our own 36", we observed 6 Abell galaxy clusters, 5 Hickson galaxy
groups, 4 Arp galaxies, 3 Shakhbazian galaxy chains, several Terzan and
Tonantzintla globular clusters, 3 planetary nebulae in M7, and that
planetary in M22 (plus tons of NGC and Messier objects beyond
description - some of my co-owners love the bright stuff!). With our
other scopes, we also saw the ejecta field of lunar crater Aristarchus
illuminated by EARTHSHINE, and the ion  tail, hoods and inner coma of
one very fine comet! With the OTHER two 36" f/5 scopes at TSP, we
(purportedly!) observed a particularly thorny item from the "aint no"
list, among some other very fine sights...

With the unaided eye, I got nice impressions of Comet NEAT, the Zodiacal
Light (like a New York City skyglow), Gegenschein, Zodiacal Band, the
Ophiuchus arm of the Milky Way, 17 Messier objects - and about 22
meteors in 1 hour of Teff with LM=7.3. (This latter was during a couple
of hours of poor transparency one night.)

I hope others will keep prompting and encouraging me to get all these
observations entered into IAAC and meteorobs properly - I am awfully
tired from the 5000 mile round-trip, but I would love to share these
wonders with you all soon!

PS: A special thank you to Barbara Wilson for being such a welcoming
presence, and for her inspiration to us all to observe more and deeper!

Clear skies all!
Lew Gramer




From anonymous at sedna.atmob.org  Tue May 25 16:50:13 2004
From: anonymous at sedna.atmob.org (anonymous at sedna.atmob.org)
Date: 25 May 2004 20:50:13 -0000
Subject: (IAAC) Obj: Cocoon Nebula - Inst: 9 cm Refractor, f/11, ecuatorial
Message-ID: <20040525205013.16625.qmail@sedna.atmob.org>

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Observation Poster: Tudorica Alexandru <astrofireball at home.ro>

Observer: Tudorica Alexandru
Your skills: Intermediate (some years)
Date/time of observation: 22.05.2004 - 00:30 UT
Location of site: Ghirdoveni, Romania (Lat +45, Elev 260m)
Site classification: Rural
Sky darkness: +7.0 <Limiting magnitude>
Seeing: 8 <1-10 Seeing Scale (10 best)>
Moon presence: None - moon not in sky
Instrument: 9 cm Refractor, f/11, ecuatorial
Magnification: 40X
Filter(s): none
Object(s): Cocoon Nebula
Category: Emission nebula.
Class: 
Constellation: Cyg
Data: mag 7.2 (cluster)  size 11' x 10'
Position: RA 21h:53'  DEC +47deg:15'
Description:
Very faint nebula in Cygnus, still not too hard visible in these conditions 
and with this aperture. Nebula B 168 is a striking sight, making a fine binocular pair with M 39. No detail visible inside the nebula; the cluster it 
looks fine, and it is hardly resolved, except two stars.Very nice nebula.
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From starpete at arobas.net  Tue May 25 19:03:30 2004
From: starpete at arobas.net (Pierre Paquette)
Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 19:03:30 -0400
Subject: (IAAC) The wonders of the 2004 Texas Star Party
In-Reply-To: <0d4801c44296$c83af090$9101a8c0@upstreambos.com>
Message-ID: <001e01c442ac$7ef414f0$6401a8c0@LaptopPierre>

Lew,

I see with pleasure that you had better skies at TSP than we did at
Qu?bec's ROC - Rendez-vous des Observateurs du Ciel / Skygazer's
Rendezvous. ROC was held May 21-24, 2004 in Mansonville, PQ, close to
the US Border (Highwater, PQ / North Troy, VT).

Some 149 people attended, not counting those below 12 years of age. Two
conferences on Saturday May 22 (one about the Sun-Aurora connection; one
about a trip to Florida in August 2003 to observe Mars at its best) and
two more on Sunday May 23 (one about Ancient Astronomers; the other
about Atmospheric Light Phenomenon) entertained the audience, despite
the almost complete lack of clear skies.

We had a few hours of Sun-Moon-Venus-Jupiter observing on Friday and a
few of Sun-Moon-Venus observing on Sunday, all while the Sun was up or
barely set. One person found M51 with his telescope, but the clouds
rolled in as soon as they opened up! :(

The ROC was the third event of its kind. Next year it should be slated
for the early May or early June new moon. People are welcome from
everywhere: we even had a visitor from Germany and one from France! The
talks are given in French, though.

Clear skies!
 
Pierre Paquette
http://www.starpete.tk
Groupe d'astronomes amateurs Polaris
http://www.astropolaris.ca

-----Original Message-----
From: netastrocatalog-announce-bounces at visualdeepsky.org
[mailto:netastrocatalog-announce-bounces at visualdeepsky.org] On Behalf Of
Lewis J. Gramer
Sent: 25 mai 2004 16:28
To: dedalus at alum.mit.edu
Subject: (IAAC) The wonders of the 2004 Texas Star Party

>To: IAAC Chat <netastrocatalog-announce at visualdeepsky.org>;
>     meteorobs at meteorobs.org; starrynights at yahoogroups.com;
>     amastro at yahoogroups.com

I just pulled in at 2am last night, from an 11-day driving and observing
Odyssey to the Texas Star Party in Ft. Davis, West Texas USA... We had
been hauling a 36" f/5 dob co-owned by several of us, together with
several smaller dobs and equipment. It was an incredible event, and I
have MOUNDS of deep-sky observations to try to enter into the IAAC - as
well as (yes, folks) a ONE-HOUR meteor observing session last Monday
night... (Talk about Deep Sky Guilt!)

With our own 36", we observed 6 Abell galaxy clusters, 5 Hickson galaxy
groups, 4 Arp galaxies, 3 Shakhbazian galaxy chains, several Terzan and
Tonantzintla globular clusters, 3 planetary nebulae in M7, and that
planetary in M22 (plus tons of NGC and Messier objects beyond
description - some of my co-owners love the bright stuff!). With our
other scopes, we also saw the ejecta field of lunar crater Aristarchus
illuminated by EARTHSHINE, and the ion  tail, hoods and inner coma of
one very fine comet! With the OTHER two 36" f/5 scopes at TSP, we
(purportedly!) observed a particularly thorny item from the "aint no"
list, among some other very fine sights...

With the unaided eye, I got nice impressions of Comet NEAT, the Zodiacal
Light (like a New York City skyglow), Gegenschein, Zodiacal Band, the
Ophiuchus arm of the Milky Way, 17 Messier objects - and about 22
meteors in 1 hour of Teff with LM=7.3. (This latter was during a couple
of hours of poor transparency one night.)

I hope others will keep prompting and encouraging me to get all these
observations entered into IAAC and meteorobs properly - I am awfully
tired from the 5000 mile round-trip, but I would love to share these
wonders with you all soon!

PS: A special thank you to Barbara Wilson for being such a welcoming
presence, and for her inspiration to us all to observe more and deeper!

Clear skies all!
Lew Gramer



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From dlcdeepsky at insightbb.com  Tue May 25 22:34:03 2004
From: dlcdeepsky at insightbb.com (Don Clouse)
Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 22:34:03 -0400
Subject: (IAAC) The wonders of the 2004 Texas Star Party
Message-ID: <002a01c442c9$e97c1760$f6fea8c0@ci264379-a>

Well OK, go ahead and take a short break.  But we expect to see some logs -
soon!  Man, you people sure know how to do some observing.  "...Shakhbazian
galaxy chains..." - I just gotta hear about this.

Don

-----Original Message-----
From: Lewis J. Gramer <lgramer at upstream.net>
To: dedalus at alum.mit.edu <dedalus at alum.mit.edu>
Date: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 4:29 PM
Subject: (IAAC) The wonders of the 2004 Texas Star Party


>>To: IAAC Chat <netastrocatalog-announce at visualdeepsky.org>;
>>     meteorobs at meteorobs.org; starrynights at yahoogroups.com;
>>     amastro at yahoogroups.com
>
>I just pulled in at 2am last night, from an 11-day driving and observing
>Odyssey to the Texas Star Party in Ft. Davis, West Texas USA... We had
>been hauling a 36" f/5 dob co-owned by several of us, together with
>several smaller dobs and equipment. It was an incredible event, and I
>have MOUNDS of deep-sky observations to try to enter into the IAAC - as
>well as (yes, folks) a ONE-HOUR meteor observing session last Monday
>night... (Talk about Deep Sky Guilt!)
>
>With our own 36", we observed 6 Abell galaxy clusters, 5 Hickson galaxy
>groups, 4 Arp galaxies, 3 Shakhbazian galaxy chains, several Terzan and
>Tonantzintla globular clusters, 3 planetary nebulae in M7, and that
>planetary in M22 (plus tons of NGC and Messier objects beyond
>description - some of my co-owners love the bright stuff!). With our
>other scopes, we also saw the ejecta field of lunar crater Aristarchus
>illuminated by EARTHSHINE, and the ion  tail, hoods and inner coma of
>one very fine comet! With the OTHER two 36" f/5 scopes at TSP, we
>(purportedly!) observed a particularly thorny item from the "aint no"
>list, among some other very fine sights...
>
>With the unaided eye, I got nice impressions of Comet NEAT, the Zodiacal
>Light (like a New York City skyglow), Gegenschein, Zodiacal Band, the
>Ophiuchus arm of the Milky Way, 17 Messier objects - and about 22
>meteors in 1 hour of Teff with LM=7.3. (This latter was during a couple
>of hours of poor transparency one night.)
>
>I hope others will keep prompting and encouraging me to get all these
>observations entered into IAAC and meteorobs properly - I am awfully
>tired from the 5000 mile round-trip, but I would love to share these
>wonders with you all soon!
>
>PS: A special thank you to Barbara Wilson for being such a welcoming
>presence, and for her inspiration to us all to observe more and deeper!
>
>Clear skies all!
>Lew Gramer
>
>
>
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>netastrocatalog-announce at visualdeepsky.org
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From shogsten at compuserve.com  Wed May 26 09:50:51 2004
From: shogsten at compuserve.com (shogsten at compuserve.com)
Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 09:50:51 -0400
Subject: (IAAC) The wonders of the 2004 Texas Star Party
In-Reply-To: <0d4801c44296$c83af090$9101a8c0@upstreambos.com>
References: <0d4801c44296$c83af090$9101a8c0@upstreambos.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.2.20040526094730.02105ec0@pop.compuserve.com>

I'm still recovering from last week, I wish I had known that you were going 
to be there. I was setup with all of the imagers down on the north end of 
the middle field. It was definitely a damp year at TSP. I was so glad that 
I had been too lazy to remove my dew straps before I left Ohio. This was my 
sixth trip to TSP and I have never seen the humidity, bugs, and everything 
green.

Scott Hogsten

At 04:27 PM 5/25/2004, you wrote:
> >To: IAAC Chat <netastrocatalog-announce at visualdeepsky.org>;
> >     meteorobs at meteorobs.org; starrynights at yahoogroups.com;
> >     amastro at yahoogroups.com
>
>I just pulled in at 2am last night, from an 11-day driving and observing
>Odyssey to the Texas Star Party in Ft. Davis, West Texas USA... We had
>been hauling a 36" f/5 dob co-owned by several of us, together with
>several smaller dobs and equipment. It was an incredible event, and I
>have MOUNDS of deep-sky observations to try to enter into the IAAC - as
>well as (yes, folks) a ONE-HOUR meteor observing session last Monday
>night... (Talk about Deep Sky Guilt!)
>
>With our own 36", we observed 6 Abell galaxy clusters, 5 Hickson galaxy
>groups, 4 Arp galaxies, 3 Shakhbazian galaxy chains, several Terzan and
>Tonantzintla globular clusters, 3 planetary nebulae in M7, and that
>planetary in M22 (plus tons of NGC and Messier objects beyond
>description - some of my co-owners love the bright stuff!). With our
>other scopes, we also saw the ejecta field of lunar crater Aristarchus
>illuminated by EARTHSHINE, and the ion  tail, hoods and inner coma of
>one very fine comet! With the OTHER two 36" f/5 scopes at TSP, we
>(purportedly!) observed a particularly thorny item from the "aint no"
>list, among some other very fine sights...
>
>With the unaided eye, I got nice impressions of Comet NEAT, the Zodiacal
>Light (like a New York City skyglow), Gegenschein, Zodiacal Band, the
>Ophiuchus arm of the Milky Way, 17 Messier objects - and about 22
>meteors in 1 hour of Teff with LM=7.3. (This latter was during a couple
>of hours of poor transparency one night.)
>
>I hope others will keep prompting and encouraging me to get all these
>observations entered into IAAC and meteorobs properly - I am awfully
>tired from the 5000 mile round-trip, but I would love to share these
>wonders with you all soon!
>
>PS: A special thank you to Barbara Wilson for being such a welcoming
>presence, and for her inspiration to us all to observe more and deeper!
>
>Clear skies all!
>Lew Gramer
>
>
>
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>netastrocatalog-announce at visualdeepsky.org
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From lgramer at upstream.net  Wed May 26 14:01:12 2004
From: lgramer at upstream.net (Lewis J. Gramer)
Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 14:01:12 -0400
Subject: (IAAC) Fwd: Heavy binary stars [WR 20a]
Message-ID: <0ef401c4434b$71adf2d0$9101a8c0@upstreambos.com>

This article was pointed out to me by a member of the Chandra team who
is also a local observer: WR20a would make a nice visual target for
Southern or Equatorial observers! The Wolf-Rayet VII catalog lists it at
just over visual magnitude 14, and the WR nebula associated with this
looks fascinating on the POSSII plates...

Has anyone observed this object visually, or gotten good amateur images
of it? It's one of those (many) objects where it may be more fascinating
to know WHAT you are looking at, than to look at it - but I'd still be
quite interested in hearing observations of this massive system and its
nebulosity.

Clear skies!

Lew Gramer
IAAC: http://www.visualdeepsky.org


-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Meehan
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 11:35 AM
Subject: GAAC Astro: heavy binary stars - really!

Hi:

Interesting article on the heaviest binary
star known:

http://cfa-www.harvard.edu/previous/latest.html

-Gary




From anonymous at sedna.atmob.org  Thu May 27 10:36:35 2004
From: anonymous at sedna.atmob.org (anonymous at sedna.atmob.org)
Date: 27 May 2004 14:36:35 -0000
Subject: (IAAC) Obj: NGC 4365 - Inst: 10" f/4.7 Dobsonian
Message-ID: <20040527143635.17780.qmail@sedna.atmob.org>

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Observation Poster: Brent Reary <gmbreary at rollanet.org>

Observer: Brent Reary
Your skills: Intermediate (some years)
Date/time of observation: 05/23/04  03:10 UT
Location of site: Rolla, MO  USA (Lat 37 57'N, Elev )
Site classification: Rural
Sky darkness: 6.0 <Limiting magnitude>
Seeing: 7 <1-10 Seeing Scale (10 best)>
Moon presence: Minor - crescent or far from object
Instrument: 10" f/4.7 Dobsonian
Magnification: 38x, 80x, 133x, 267x
Filter(s): None
Object(s): NGC 4365
Category: External galaxy.
Class: 
Constellation: Vir
Data: mag 9.6  size 6.9' X 5.0'
Position: RA 12:24.5  DEC +07:19
Description:
A bright, uniform, oval halo, aligned NE-SW.  It brightens to a bright,
diffuse core which during moments of steady seeing shows a tiny, stellar
nucleus.  Visible with direct vision at 38x, it bore magnification well,
being best seen at 133x-267x.

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From anonymous at sedna.atmob.org  Thu May 27 10:47:26 2004
From: anonymous at sedna.atmob.org (anonymous at sedna.atmob.org)
Date: 27 May 2004 14:47:26 -0000
Subject: (IAAC) Obj: NGC 4442 - Inst: 10" f/4.7 Dobsonian
Message-ID: <20040527144726.18199.qmail@sedna.atmob.org>

----

Observation Poster: Brent Reary <gmbreary at rollanet.org>

Observer: Brent Reary
Your skills: Intermediate (some years)
Date/time of observation: 05/23/04  03:35 UT
Location of site: Rolla, MO  USA (Lat 37 57'N, Elev )
Site classification: Rural
Sky darkness: 6.0 <Limiting magnitude>
Seeing: 7 <1-10 Seeing Scale (10 best)>
Moon presence: Minor - crescent or far from object
Instrument: 10" f/4.7 Dobsonian
Magnification: 38x, 80x, 133x, 267x
Filter(s): None
Object(s): NGC 4442
Category: External galaxy.
Class: 
Constellation: Vir
Data: mag 10.4  size 4.6' X 1.9'
Position: RA 12:28  DEC +09:48
Description:
A uniform oval halo, aligned E-W.  It brightens to a bright, nearly stellar
core.  Visible with direct vision at 38x, it magnifies well, being best
seen at 133x-267x.

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From anonymous at sedna.atmob.org  Thu May 27 10:56:17 2004
From: anonymous at sedna.atmob.org (anonymous at sedna.atmob.org)
Date: 27 May 2004 14:56:17 -0000
Subject: (IAAC) Obj: NGC 4371 - Inst: 10" f/4.7 Dobsonian
Message-ID: <20040527145617.19101.qmail@sedna.atmob.org>

----

Observation Poster: Brent Reary <gmbreary at rollanet.org>

Observer: Brent Reary
Your skills: Intermediate (some years)
Date/time of observation: 05/23/04  03:50 UT
Location of site: Rolla, MO  USA (Lat 37 57'N, Elev )
Site classification: Rural
Sky darkness: 6.0 <Limiting magnitude>
Seeing: 7 <1-10 Seeing Scale (10 best)>
Moon presence: Minor - crescent or far from object
Instrument: 10" f/4.7 Dobsonian
Magnification: 38x, 80x, 133x, 267x
Filter(s): None
Object(s): NGC 4371
Category: External galaxy.
Class: 
Constellation: Vir
Data: mag 10.8  size 4.0' X 2.2'
Position: RA 12:25  DEC +11:42
Description:
A uniform oval halo, aligned E-W.  It brightens to a bright, diffuse core.
Visible with averted vision at 38x, it bears magnification well, being best
seen at 133x-267x.

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From anonymous at sedna.atmob.org  Thu May 27 11:15:53 2004
From: anonymous at sedna.atmob.org (anonymous at sedna.atmob.org)
Date: 27 May 2004 15:15:53 -0000
Subject: (IAAC) Obj: NGC 4388 - Inst: 10" f/4.7 Dobsonian
Message-ID: <20040527151553.19643.qmail@sedna.atmob.org>

----

Observation Poster: Brent Reary <gmbreary at rollanet.org>

Observer: Brent Reary
Your skills: Intermediate (some years)
Date/time of observation: 05/23/04  04:05 UT
Location of site: Rolla, MO  USA (Lat 37 57'N, Elev )
Site classification: Rural
Sky darkness: 6.0 <Limiting magnitude>
Seeing: 7 <1-10 Seeing Scale (10 best)>
Moon presence: Minor - crescent or far from object
Instrument: 10" f/4.7 Dobsonian
Magnification: 80x, 133x, 267x
Filter(s): None
Object(s): NGC 4388
Category: External galaxy.
Class: 
Constellation: Vir
Data: mag 11.0  size 5.6' X 1.3'
Position: RA 12:25.5  DEC +12:40
Description:
A faint, elongated nebulous streak, aligned E-W.  Wider in the center and
tapering toward each end.  There is slight, gradual brightening toward the
core.  Visible with averted vision at 80x, it did not bear magnification
well, fading into the background at higher power.  Best seen at 133x.
Located in the same 80x(38') field and approx. 20' S of M84 and M86.

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From anonymous at sedna.atmob.org  Fri May 28 15:25:26 2004
From: anonymous at sedna.atmob.org (anonymous at sedna.atmob.org)
Date: 28 May 2004 19:25:26 -0000
Subject: (IAAC) Obj: M4 - Inst: unaided eye
Message-ID: <20040528192526.7517.qmail@sedna.atmob.org>

----

Observation Poster: Lew Gramer <dedalus at alum.mit.edu>

Observer: Lew Gramer
Your skills: Advanced (many years)
Date/time of observation: 17 May 2004 03:00 CDT
Location of site: Texas Star Party, Ft Davis TX USA (Lat 30, Elev 1700m)
Site classification: Rural
Sky darkness: 7.3 <Limiting magnitude>
Seeing: 4 <1-10 Seeing Scale (10 best)>
Moon presence: None - moon not in sky
Instrument: unaided eye
Magnification: 1x
Filter(s): None
Object(s): M4
Category: Globular cluster.
Class: IX
Constellation: Sco
Data: mag 5.4 10.8*  size 35'
Position: RA 16:24  DEC -26:31
Description:
Unlike in prior observations at more northerly locations
(see related URL), M4 tonight was a distinct hazy "spot",
and quite obviously NOT a star. There was even a hint of
"irregularity" noted in the spot. I'll be interested to
see how M4 looks from the beach at 25 N latitude (and in
much sharper seeing), during the Perseids this Summer!
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From lgramer at upstream.net  Fri May 28 16:56:53 2004
From: lgramer at upstream.net (Lewis J. Gramer)
Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 16:56:53 -0400
Subject: (IAAC) Fwd: Supernova in NGC 6907 in Capricornus
Message-ID: <135201c444f6$52175180$9101a8c0@upstreambos.com>

[ Sorry this one took me a few days to forward, all! It is quite
easy to get lost in all the verbiage on some of the more "advanced"
deepsky observing lists... Sounds like a fine target for medium to
larger amateur scopes - and it may already be brighter now! -Lew ]


========================================================================
   Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 21:05:30 -0700 (MST)
   From: Brian Skiff <...>
Subject: Supernova in NGC 6907

     Reiki Kushida has found a (likely) supernova in NGC 6907,
a fairly bright galaxy in Capricornus, which I think Tom P mentioned
in his southern observing list as having a spiral arm separated from
the main body of the galaxy.  Though faint at present, the object
has the potential to become bright since the galaxy is nearby.
Since the galaxy is fairly dusty, it could be that the SN is obscured
and not get any brighter, however.  A spectrum will have to be obtained
to determine this, which is likely to be got in a day or two.
Here is the relevant part of the IAU Circular issued this evening.

SUPERNOVA 2004bv IN NGC 6907
     S. Nakano, Sumoto, Japan, reports the discovery by R. Kushida,
Yatsugatake South Base Observatory, of an apparent supernova (mag
15.6) on numerous unfiltered CCD survey frames taken around May
24.70 UT with a 0.40-m Schmidt-Cassegrain reflector.  A follow-up
image by Kushida on May 25.77 showed the new object at mag 15.3.
SN 2004bv is located at R.A. = 20h25m06s.34, Decl. = -24o48'53".7
(equinox 2000.0; measured by Y. Kushida), which is 3".8 west and
20".7 south of the center of NGC 6907.  Nothing is visible at this
location on earlier frames of this field back to 1995 by R.
Kushida, the most recent from 2003 July 24 (limiting mag 19).



\Brian